Fallout Series

[Nightwatch]

Yeah, I agree, Deus Ex is probably the greatest game ever. It has immense perspective to a wider picture in the world, power struggles, humanity, essence of human being, etc. It's well beyond any worry about graphics or (in fact) not the idea of the hot action -though there's plenty of it, too- The game, the power-playing elements in the game, forces you to chose your path, your options in the game that are available to you which ultimately affect the outcome of the society, but not like the way a typical FPS tries to handle such matters.

There's a great dialog which has obviously come from some great thinking minds. In short, it is not a simple FPS; it's more of a dissecting look into the mind of humanity and its efforts to shape itself by shaping the others, rightly or wrongly.

It has a very intriguing philosophical look, very cool mood and atmosphere.

It is game that no one should left it behind in my opinion. I would strongly recommend it to everyone. Like many things in life, it's one of those things that needs to be done.

[EggChen]

I'll never buy the graphics or gameplay debate, because they depend on each other... examples :

- Would the FEAR stakegun be fun if you couldn't see the effects afterwards?
- Would VATS be as fun, if you didn't have nice cinematic camera angles to demonstrate the hist?
- Would STALKER be as immersive without the wind, sun shadows, and ambient sounds?

Gameplay is important, but graphics (and sound) contribute to that.

[Nightwatch]

That's true when there's significant differences between the quality levels of "gameplay" and "graphics" that a game can offer, as we all now have come to expect decent images in our games; but how about if the graphics are of excellent level but the gameplay is totally boring? I remember that many people did not like CS although all agreed that CS had very good graphics.

Then, when considering the opposite balance of things, when in case the graphics are not superb (though still in acceptable level) but the game offers intense suspense, action, intrigue, surprise and challenge... I would personally choose this second option, if only these were to be on the offer.

On Deus Ex, well, I believe it still offers some decent graphics, and on top of it, a very memorable gameplay. I'm sure that you wouldn't find it a waste of time.

[jamie1992]

Its impossible to class Deus Ex 1 as a waste of time, that game is just epic, graphics are perfectly fine by my standards, infact i think the graphics are irrelevent, i mean yes its nice to have a sexy view, but its the gameplay is where its all at.

[audioave10]

Good arguments from both sides here. It should be clear to all that
EggChen, like myself, loves the immersion obtained with graphics
and the improved believability that comes with them. However, that
never is an excuse to play a crap game and both of us will not
tolerate such. So PLEASE don't think that because we are graphic
ho's (sorry Egg) that we don't highly value gameplay. I didn't even
have a PC yet when Dues Ex came out...and never had consoles.
Remember this...without amazing graphics, which include great
audio sounds and visually unusual things to see, our beloved game
Stalker's immersion would be missing.
Then we might not be here to quibble about such things with a
bunch of really cool dudes from all over the world.

[EggChen]

Yep, just to reiterate part of my previous post...

they depend on each other

Imagine, entering Agroprom Underground for the first time, you take out a load of horrible 2d Bandits, with no lighting or shadows.... you go down the staircase (which by the way you cannot see through as it is solid blocks for steps), you turn the corner and some text pops up on your screen

.... LOUD ROAR ....
.... ALMOST TRANSPARENT CREATURE RUNS TOWARDS YOU ....
.... SORRY YOU CANNOT SEE HIM, WE HAD TO MAKE HIM COMPLETELY INVISIBLE ....
.... BECAUSE OUR GAME ENGINE CANNOT DO THOSE KINDS OF LIGHTING EFFECTS ....
.... SCARY THOUGH ISN'T IT? ....

I have not said Dues Ex or any other game is not worth playing.

Basically when I try older games, I just don't feel the immersion I do in modern games. Its the same reason why I mostly play First Person Games, seeing an isometric viewpoint and clicking on your character/army breaks all immersion.

To me immersion is key, if that is broken by either graphics or gameplay I lose interest. I do agree that "graphics ho" is a good description for me, I just stopped and looked at this last night, and have to say without these visuals Fallout 3 would be less of a game than it is.



Edit: OK let's get this one back on topic.... which do you prefer?





I am thinking about a mod to remove most of the paper indoors. There is seriously too much, unless in Fallout 3's alternate future newspaper was used as carpet..... thoughts?

[Balious]

There are many classic games that I have never played..... X-Com series, Deus Ex, Fallouts, many more I probably don't even know about!!

Dude, i had so much respect for you, but not playing Deus Ex, is a crime, fogivable but a crime, however Not playing X-Com, you shall be burnt you Satanic Beliver, sorry Eggchen love ya really, but seriously, you should defo play X-Com, and Deus Ex, honestly you WILL NOT be disappointed, or atleast not with the first Deus Ex, Invisble war was a but meh, but the first is epic, as for X-Com, best game series EVER made, period, ill fight any moflow who disagrees.

What about me as I never played wither of these either

Anyway my point to the gameplay v graphics part. I always like to play a game with very good gameplay as its the most important to my mind. But I do need some graphics. I could play Doom 2 without no worry of the graphics as I still think they fine but having FEAR on very low settings will drive me crazy and I must have them higher so I can enjoy the gameplay. Thats just one example I know easily but there are others I can just not remenber.

To eggchens picture question.
I like the bottom one better as I agree. I understand why theres lots of paper on the floor but that seriously makes it look like its the latest fashion or something.

[rockingmtranch]

The trash never bothered me before now. Thanks a lot Egg. LOL...just kidding. Making a game the way you like it is what modding is all about. I personally am going with the nude mods......running around as a naked woman and killing beasties is a kick in the head

[EggChen]

The trash is OK, but there is far too much of it!! It's easy to remove it all, just create a clear texture and normal map... but I really want to thin it out a bit, which is a lot more work, you have to edit every level/cell and there are hundreds.

As for nude mods, I'll admit I am running the topless nude mods for immersion purposes only.... ahem, let me explain!!

When you loot armour, the armour itself may be quite skimpy on the NPC, only covering the chest, with the stomach and shoulders bare, so you loot the corpse, and hey presto this full upper body vest-top appears out of nowhere!! I couldn't cope with it... I have decreased the number of female Raiders roaming the wastes though...

I did attack a Raider party in my pants though, I had sold some armour I was wearing and fogot to re-equip my proper armour. I play first person, and only realised when I quickly died and saw my character hit the deck in his skiddies....

[rockingmtranch]

I too have forgotten to dress once or twice and found out the same way. I would LMAO if one of the game characters would mention it. "Hey, nice rack there" or "Your, um, tallywacker getting cold?"

[EggChen]

Yep, I'm sure that could be scripted in as well, if only the audio had been recorded.... I'm thinking they could just look at you and say "freak"....

I'm gutted I cannot play this game at the moment, I am loving it. Just found the Xuanlong Chinese Assault Rifle. The way you find it is great, picked up a lead while on another mission, followed the clues and got the location of the drop, only to end up with a rather nice rifle.

In fact that is probably one of my favourite parts, the way you are at times a detective, or a real explorer. Like following the painted symbols in underground sections to get to your destination, or seeing that baby carriage and thinking that is just wrong, just in time.

I was thinking when I do get round to creating a dungeon, using graffiti textures with normal maps only, so you have to follow the invisible ink, with clues about using light or something. Its like Priboi Story in a real nuclear wasteland!!

Oh and I had also recently acquired a minigun....

Did you enjoy Dunwich? Did you find the little man?

[rockingmtranch]

Yes I did thank you. And, I'll tell ya, I'm seriously thinking about doing some of this mod stuff for this game. I would have naked armies of women LOL and I would be their General.

[jamie1992]

Lol, Fear rockingmtranch and his army of Naked (And lesbian? maybe Bi?) Women.

[Nightwatch]

Lol.

[jamie1992]

Lol indeed, i gave myself an avatar now as you can see, same one i got on GSC, was able to save it, even though Ceano's site is down, i was able to get hold of it, so its a result.

[audioave10]

His army could be called........Rocks Racks!

oops....boobs make me go off topic!

[Balious]

They no match for the slavers

[rockingmtranch]

Rocks Racks I like Also, never thought about being a slaver and putting collars on my women.....wow. I just re-read that sentence. I feel a little dirty now.

[rockingmtranch]

I just gotta say again, having a naked chick with a punk haircut throwing grenades (using VATS) is just and a little bit awesome sometimes